<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740428248121208210</id><updated>2011-07-28T23:05:00.378-07:00</updated><category term='salvation'/><category term='healing'/><category term='women'/><category term='myth'/><category term='children'/><category term='path'/><category term='polygamy'/><category term='gospel'/><category term='bible'/><category term='creation'/><category term='law'/><category term='paradox'/><category term='books'/><category term='opposition'/><category term='justice'/><category term='book of mormon'/><category term='birth'/><category term='doctrine'/><category term='atonement'/><category term='genocide'/><category term='prophecy'/><category term='Joseph Smith'/><category term='faith'/><category term='Christ'/><category term='adultery'/><category term='charity'/><category term='eternal life'/><category term='Brigham Young'/><category term='exaltation'/><category term='mercy'/><category term='murder'/><category term='monogomy'/><category term='gifts of the spirit'/><title type='text'>Refiner's Fire</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>TruthSeekerToo</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05167470143569702579</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>17</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740428248121208210.post-5432289685702903933</id><published>2009-11-09T22:00:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-10-25T17:13:34.074-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='murder'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='law'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='genocide'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='justice'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='myth'/><title type='text'>God Never Commands Killing</title><content type='html'>I know, I know. A very controversial topic. =)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My whole relationship with God was tranformed when I learned this truth. I hope that by sharing it with you it will strengthen your relationship with him, too. This can only be learned through the Spirit. I offer only pointers that can help you on your journey of discovery.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God never commands his children to murder eachother. Now, I am not saying there aren't times when it isn't reasonable or justified. What I am saying is that the Eternal Father does not &lt;em&gt;command&lt;/em&gt; it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe that all the stories of "God commanded killings" are either to be understood symbolicly and/or stories of people who are not One with God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;I'd like to start by looking at the story of Nephi and Laban. This story is actually one of the least offensive because we are dealing with a man who reportedly is wicked and tried to kill Nephi and his brothers. The reason I want to start with this story is because I believe we have strong evidence that it was not commanded by God.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The account is in &lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/3"&gt;1 Nephi 3-4&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We have Lehi tell his sons to go and get the brass plates from Laban back in Jerusalem. The brothers return and draw lots. Laman goes and asks Laban for the plates. Laban calls him a thief and tells his gaurds to kill him. Laman gets away and returns to his brothers.&lt;br /&gt;Next, the brothers all go to their estate and get everything worth money to attempt to purchase the plates. Laban is greedy and takes their stuff and orders his gaurds to kill them. Again, the brothers escape and hide.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nephi decides to go back to Jerusalem alone. He records that he believes the Lord will help him obey this command (to get the plates). He compares Laban to the Egyptians.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;1 Nephi 4:6 And I was &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Guidance, Divine; TG Holy Ghost, Gifts of; TG Inspiration." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1_ne/4/6a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;led&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt; by the Spirit, not &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Heb. 11: 8." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1_ne/4/6b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;knowing&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt; beforehand the things which I should do.&lt;br /&gt;7 Nevertheless I went forth, and as I came near unto the house of Laban I beheld a man, and he had fallen to the earth before me, for he was &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Drunkenness." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1_ne/4/7a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;drunken&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt; with wine.&lt;br /&gt;8 And when I came to him I found that it was Laban.&lt;br /&gt;9 And I beheld his &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="2 Ne. 5: 14; D&amp;amp;C 17: 1." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1_ne/4/9a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;sword&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;, and I drew it forth from the sheath thereof; and the hilt thereof was of pure gold, and the workmanship thereof was exceedingly fine, and I saw that the blade thereof was of the most precious steel.&lt;br /&gt;10 And it came to pass that I was &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="1 Sam. 15: 3 (3-33)" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1_ne/4/10a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;constrained&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt; by the Spirit that I should kill Laban; but I said in my heart: Never at any time have I shed the blood of man. And I shrunk and would that I might not slay him.&lt;br /&gt;11 And the Spirit said unto me again: Behold the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Deut. 3: 3; 1 Sam. 17: 46 (41-49)" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1_ne/4/11a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;Lord&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt; hath &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="1 Ne. 7: 11." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1_ne/4/11b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;delivered&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt; him into thy hands. Yea, and I also knew that he had sought to take away mine own life; yea, and he would not hearken unto the commandments of the Lord; and he also had &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="1 Ne. 3: 26." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1_ne/4/11c" type="A" mark="c"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;taken&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt; away our property.&lt;br /&gt;12 And it came to pass that the Spirit said unto me again: Slay him, for the Lord hath delivered him into thy hands;&lt;br /&gt;13 Behold the Lord &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Num. 25: 17; Deut. 12: 29; Ps. 139: 19; 1 Ne. 17: 37 (33-38); D&amp;amp;C 98: 32 (31-32)" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1_ne/4/13a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;slayeth&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt; the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Justice; TG Punishment; TG Wickedness." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1_ne/4/13b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;wicked&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt; to bring forth his righteous purposes. It is &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Alma 30: 47; TG Life, Sanctity of." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1_ne/4/13c" type="C" mark="c"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;better&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt; that one man should perish than that a nation should dwindle and perish in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Unbelief, Unbelievers." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1_ne/4/13d" type="B" mark="d"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;unbelief&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;14 And now, when I, Nephi, had heard these words, I remembered the words of the Lord which he spake unto me in the wilderness, saying that: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Omni 1: 6; Mosiah 2: 22; Ether 2: 7 (7-12)" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1_ne/4/14a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;Inasmuch&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt; as thy seed shall keep my &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Commandments of God." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1_ne/4/14b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;commandments&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;, they shall &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="1 Ne. 2: 20." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1_ne/4/14c" type="A" mark="c"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;prosper&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt; in the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="1 Ne. 17: 13 (13-14); Jacob 2: 12." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1_ne/4/14d" type="A" mark="d"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;land&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt; of promise.&lt;br /&gt;15 Yea, and I also thought that they could not keep the commandments of the Lord according to the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Mosiah 1: 5 (1-6)" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1_ne/4/15a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;law&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt; of Moses, save they should have the law.&lt;br /&gt;16 And I also knew that the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Josh. 1: 8; TG Law of Moses." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1_ne/4/16a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;law&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt; was engraven upon the plates of brass.&lt;br /&gt;17 And again, I knew that the Lord had delivered Laban into my hands for this cause—that I might obtain the records according to his commandments.&lt;br /&gt;18 Therefore I did obey the voice of the Spirit, and took Laban by the hair of the head, and I smote off his head with his own &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="1 Sam. 17: 51." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/1_ne/4/18a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;sword&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;19 And after I had smitten off his head with his own sword, I took the garments of Laban and put them upon mine own body; yea, even every whit; and I did gird on his armor about my loins. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;There are a few oddities in this account. First, Nephi picks up and admires Laban's sword. Laban is passed out and now unarmed. Laban is not a threat.&lt;br /&gt;The "still small voice" tells Nephi he should kill Laban. Nephi hesitates and then goes through the justification process in his mind. One of the reasons he uses is that his people need the law/commandments or they will dwindle in unbelief. Nephi is breaking 3 commandments to secure the plates. So how important are the commandments? It appears that following anything the Spirit says trumps them. That makes this an unreasonable justification.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The other problem with this idea is that God could easily have Nephi write the law himself. We believe in revelation and inspiration, so this can easily be remedied.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He also can't know that his people will dwindle in unbelief or not. And, as history would have it, his people DO dwindle in unbelief even with the brass plates!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nephi chops off Laban's head using the sword &lt;em&gt;then&lt;/em&gt; he removes Laban's clothing and puts it on. The clothing would be drenched in blood. Ew!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is absolutely no reason to believe that Nephi couldn't have stripped Laban and gotten the plates without killing him. Many will argue that Laban would have sent his men after Nephi and his people. Since we know that Nephi and his brothers were successful in getting away 2 other times this is not a valid arguement. It is also not valid if we believe that God can do anything.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was reading another blog yesterday and it was pointed out that Nephi uses nearly the same wording and same reasoning for killing Laban as was used to put Jesus to death! Yikes! That seems a bit odd. Is Laban to be understood as a Christ symbol? Compare to verse 13 above.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#339999;"&gt;John 11:49 And one of them, named &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Matt. 26: 3 (3-5)" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/john/john/11/49a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#339999;"&gt;Caiaphas&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#339999;"&gt;, being the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Priesthood, Aaronic." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/john/john/11/49b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#339999;"&gt;high&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#339999;"&gt; priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,&lt;br /&gt;50 Nor consider that&lt;strong&gt; it is expedient for us, that one man should &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Jesus Christ, Trials of." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/john/john/11/50a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#339999;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;die&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#339999;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt; for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, there are many scholars who have studied ancient culture and found parallels. I think that is neat, however it shows a cultural bias and does not make a case for a "God commanded" murder. Here is a paper by John W. Welch on the &lt;a href="http://mi.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=1&amp;amp;num=1&amp;amp;id=7"&gt;legal perspective of this slaying&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The problem for me is that they all use the 613 laws of Moses as their guide. We're told that many of these laws were given to the children of Isreal because of the hardness of their hearts (see &lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/19/8#8"&gt;Matt. 19:8&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We also have no evidence that the Nephite people used all the 613 laws of Moses. In fact, one could make a case that they didn't follow all of them. For sure, they didn't follow the ones that governed polygamy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What do we know? We do know that they were governed by the 10 commandments. We also are told of another law given to Nephi in the Doctrine and Covenants.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 98:23 Now, I speak unto you concerning your families—if men will &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Luke 6: 29; Alma 43: 46 (46-47); TG Persecution." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/98/23a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;smite&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt; you, or your families, once, and ye &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Forbearance." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/98/23b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;bear&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt; it patiently and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Reviling." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/98/23c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;revile&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt; not against them, neither seek &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Deut. 19: 6; TG Retribution." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/98/23d" type="C" mark="d"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;revenge&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;, ye shall be &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="2 Sam. 16: 12; TG Reward." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/98/23e" type="C" mark="e"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;rewarded&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;;&lt;br /&gt;24 But if ye bear it not patiently, it shall be accounted unto you as being &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Matt. 7: 2 (1-2)" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/98/24a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;meted&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt; out as a just measure unto you.&lt;br /&gt;25 And again, if your enemy shall smite you the second time, and you revile not against your enemy, and bear it patiently, your reward shall be an &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Gen. 26: 12." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/98/25a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;hundredfold&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;26 And again, if he shall smite you the third time, and ye bear it &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Patience." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/98/26a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;patiently&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;, your reward shall be doubled unto you four-fold;&lt;br /&gt;27 And these three &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Judgment." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/98/27a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;testimonies&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt; shall stand against your enemy if he repent not, and shall not be blotted out.&lt;br /&gt;28 And now, verily I say unto you, if that enemy shall escape my vengeance, that he be not brought into judgment before me, then ye shall see to it that &lt;strong&gt;ye &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Warnings." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/98/28a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;warn&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt; him in my name&lt;/strong&gt;, that he come no more upon you, neither upon your family, even your children’s children unto the third and fourth generation.&lt;br /&gt;29 And then, if he shall come upon you or your children, or your children’s children unto the third and fourth generation, I have delivered thine &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Deut. 7: 23 (16-23)" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/98/29a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;enemy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt; into thine hands;&lt;br /&gt;30 And then &lt;strong&gt;if thou wilt spare him, thou shalt be rewarded for thy &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Reward; TG Righteousness." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/98/30a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;righteousness&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;; and also thy children and thy children’s children unto the third and fourth generation.&lt;br /&gt;31 Nevertheless, thine enemy is in thine hands; and if thou rewardest him according to his works thou art justified; if he has sought thy life, and thy life is endangered by him, thine enemy is in thine hands and thou art justified.&lt;br /&gt;32 Behold, this is the law I gave unto my servant &lt;strong&gt;Nephi&lt;/strong&gt;, and thy &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 27: 10." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/98/32a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;fathers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;, Joseph, and Jacob, and Isaac, and Abraham, and all mine ancient prophets and apostles. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God revealed this law that was given to Nephi through Joseph Smith. What does this law tell us about how to deal with our enemies? You must bear him coming upon you 3 times, forgiving him each time. Then, you must warn him in the name of Jesus Christ to leave you and your family alone. IF he comes upon you a FOURTH time, you may do what you wish. Killing is justified, but sparing him will be rewarded for righteousness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 Nephi 3:13 We have our &lt;strong&gt;first&lt;/strong&gt; encounter with Laban. He tries to have Laman killed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 Nephi 3:25 We have our &lt;strong&gt;second&lt;/strong&gt; attempt to get the plates-this time by purchasing them. Laban tries to have them killed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 Nephi 4 we have Nephi going alone to retrieve the plates. He does not warn Laban, since Laban is passed out. He kills Laban and uses deception to steal the plates.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nephi did not follow this law as outlined in D&amp;amp;C 98. Laban only "came upon" Nephi and his brothers TWO times. Plus, there was no warning given.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The scriptures also give us a warning and a lesson regarding the whisperings of the Spirit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336666;"&gt;Ether 4:11 But he that &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 5: 16." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ether/4/11a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336666;"&gt;believeth&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336666;"&gt; these things which I have spoken, him will I visit with the manifestations of my Spirit, and he shall &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="2 Ne. 32: 5; 3 Ne. 16: 6." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ether/4/11b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336666;"&gt;know&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336666;"&gt; and bear record. For because of my Spirit he shall &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Testimony." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ether/4/11c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336666;"&gt;know&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336666;"&gt; that these things are &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Alma 3: 12; Ether 5: 3 (1-4); Moro. 10: 4 (1-5)" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ether/4/11d" type="A" mark="d"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336666;"&gt;true&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336666;"&gt;; for it persuadeth men to do good.&lt;br /&gt;12 And whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do good is of me; for &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Omni 1: 25; Alma 5: 40; Moro. 7: 16 (12-17)" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ether/4/12a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336666;"&gt;good&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336666;"&gt; cometh of none save it be of me. I am the same that leadeth men to all good; he that will &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="3 Ne. 11: 35; 3 Ne. 28: 34." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ether/4/12b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336666;"&gt;not&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336666;"&gt; believe my words will not believe me—that I am; and he that will not believe me will not believe the Father who sent me. For behold, I am the Father, I am the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Jesus Christ, Light of the World." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ether/4/12c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336666;"&gt;light&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336666;"&gt;, and the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Col. 3: 4." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ether/4/12d" type="A" mark="d"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336666;"&gt;life&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336666;"&gt;, and the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Alma 38: 9." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ether/4/12e" type="A" mark="e"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336666;"&gt;truth&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336666;"&gt; of the world.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#330099;"&gt;2 Nephi 15:20 Wo unto them that &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 64: 16; D&amp;amp;C 121: 16." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/15/20a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#330099;"&gt;call&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#330099;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Moro. 7: 14 (14, 18)" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/15/20b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#330099;"&gt;evil&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#330099;"&gt; good, and good evil, that put &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="1 Jn. 1: 6." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/15/20c" type="A" mark="c"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#330099;"&gt;darkness&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#330099;"&gt; for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is nothing good about the shedding of blood. Any soldier will tell you that even justified killing has long lasting psychological consequences.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The sad part of the tale is that this was only the beginning of a culture of war and bloodshed. We are told that the very sword that beheaded Laban was then used as a model for the weapons of war the Nephites made to kill their Lamanite brothers (2 Nephi 5:14). The culture of violence continues throughout the rest of the BoM ending in the anihilation of the people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That's all I've got on the Laban slaying. I may do a part two focused on some of the genocide of the Old Testament at another time.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1740428248121208210-5432289685702903933?l=truthseekertoo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/feeds/5432289685702903933/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/11/god-never-commands-killing.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/5432289685702903933'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/5432289685702903933'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/11/god-never-commands-killing.html' title='God Never Commands Killing'/><author><name>TruthSeekerToo</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05167470143569702579</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740428248121208210.post-3924774020016648633</id><published>2009-10-04T09:00:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-10-04T12:26:16.790-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='salvation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='eternal life'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atonement'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='children'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='exaltation'/><title type='text'>A Disturbing Thought about the Salvation of Little Children</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;I have been introduced to a disturbing new (to me) idea being held by at least a few LDS members, including leadership who come from well known Mormon stock.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is the idea that children who die before they reach accountability WILL need to have baptism at some point during the Millennium. Either proxy or in their resurrected state.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wow. I feel pretty strongly about this. I had no idea anyone in the church felt this way. I always took it for granted that we believe unaccountable people and children who die before 8 years old will be saved in the Celestial Kingdom without baptism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think the main contention of those who hold this belief is this:&lt;br /&gt;1) ALL ordinances are &lt;em&gt;required&lt;/em&gt; to be saved and there can be no exceptions. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;People who believe this, I'm sure, also believe that these unaccountable people will have to become married or sealed in heaven, too. This is a seperate issue, but something that adds to the confusion over what is required for the Celestial Kingdom.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;We all can read what the scriptures tell us are required for our salvation and eternal life. The doctrine is found in &lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11"&gt;3 Nephi 11&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;The scriptures teach us that little children are alive in Christ and have no need of baptism. They are redeemed from the Fall since the foundation of the Earth. The Atonement fully covers them. What a glorious and wonderful truth! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;Moroni 8 is one of the most clear chapters on this doctrine. It is entirely dedicated to the topic of the salvation of little children and unaccountable people. It has some harsh words for those who do not believe that little children are saved without baptism.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Moroni 8:8&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 15: 1." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/8a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;Listen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt; to the words of Christ, your Redeemer, your Lord and your God. Behold, I came into the world not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance; the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Mark 2: 17." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/8b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;whole&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt; need no physician, but they that are sick; wherefore, little &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Mark 10: 14 (13-16); TG Conceived in Sin." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/8c" type="C" mark="c"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;children&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt; are &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Mosiah 3: 16; D&amp;amp;C 29: 46; D&amp;amp;C 74: 7." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/8d" type="A" mark="d"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;whole&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;, for they are not capable of committing &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Sin." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/8e" type="B" mark="e"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;sin&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;; wherefore the curse of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Mosiah 3: 26; Morm. 9: 12." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/8f" type="A" mark="f"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;Adam&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt; is taken from them in me, that it hath no power over them; and the law of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Gen. 17: 11 (10-27); Acts 15: 24; TG Circumcision." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/8g" type="C" mark="g"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;circumcision&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt; is done away in me. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;Little children are WHOLE. They are not living under the curse of Adam, they are not capable of sin.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Moroni 8:10&lt;/strong&gt; Behold I say unto you that this thing shall ye teach—repentance and baptism unto those who are &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Accountability." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/10a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;accountable&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt; and capable of committing sin; yea, teach parents that they must repent and be baptized, and humble themselves as their little &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Family, Children, Responsibilities toward; TG Family, Love within." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/10b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;children&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;, and they shall all be saved with their little children.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a name="11"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;  11 And their little &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Baptism, Qualifications for; TG Children." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/11a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;children&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt; need no repentance, neither baptism. Behold, baptism is unto repentance to the fulfilling the commandments unto the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Remission of Sins." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/11b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;remission&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt; of sins.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a name="12"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;  12 But little &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 29: 46; D&amp;amp;C 93: 38." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/12a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;children&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt; are alive in Christ, even from the foundation of the world; if not so, God is a partial God, and also a changeable God, and a &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Eph. 6: 9; D&amp;amp;C 38: 16." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/12b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;respecter&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt; to persons; for how many little children have died without baptism! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;Adults who repent, are baptized and become as their little children will be saved WITH their little children. Little children are alive in Christ and always have been. God is unchangeable, impartial and is not a respector of persons.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Moroni 8:14&lt;/strong&gt; Behold I say unto you, that he that supposeth that little children need baptism is in the gall of bitterness and in the bonds of iniquity; for he hath neither &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="1 Cor. 13: 13 (1-13); Ether 12: 3 (3-37); Moro. 7: 1; Moro. 10: 20 (20-23)" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/14a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;faith&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;, hope, nor charity; wherefore, should he be cut off while in the thought, he must go down to hell.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a name="15"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006600;"&gt;  15 For awful is the wickedness to suppose that God saveth one child because of baptism, and the other must perish because he hath no baptism.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;I'm not sure how the belief that a little child who dies before accountablility will need some future baptism is any different than what is admonished against here. If you believe baptism is required of the unaccountable people and children you are denying the mercy of of Christ and are without faith, hope and charity. Yikes!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#333399;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Moroni 8:17&lt;/strong&gt; And I am filled with &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Charity." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/17a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#333399;"&gt;charity&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#333399;"&gt;, which is everlasting love; wherefore, all children are alike unto me; wherefore, I love little children with a perfect love; and they are all alike and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Mosiah 3: 16 (16-19)" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/17b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#333399;"&gt;partakers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#333399;"&gt; of salvation.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;Little children are alive in Christ and are partakers of salvation. This is the Good News!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663366;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Moroni 8:19&lt;/strong&gt; Little &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Luke 18: 16 (15-17)" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/19a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663366;"&gt;children&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663366;"&gt; cannot repent; wherefore, it is awful wickedness to deny the pure mercies of God unto them, for they are all alive in him because of his &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG God, Mercy of." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/19b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663366;"&gt;mercy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663366;"&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a name="20"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663366;"&gt;  20 And he that saith that little children need baptism denieth the mercies of Christ, and setteth at naught the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Jesus Christ, Atonement through; TG Salvation, Plan of." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/20a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663366;"&gt;atonement&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663366;"&gt; of him and the power of his redemption.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a name="21"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663366;"&gt;  21 Wo unto such, for they are in danger of death, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Hell." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/21a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663366;"&gt;hell&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663366;"&gt;, and an &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Jacob 6: 10; Mosiah 28: 3; D&amp;amp;C 19: 12 (10-12)" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/21b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663366;"&gt;endless&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663366;"&gt; torment. I speak it boldly; God hath commanded me. Listen unto them and give heed, or they stand against you at the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Jesus Christ, Judge." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/21c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663366;"&gt;judgment&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663366;"&gt;-seat of Christ.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;We deny the pure mercy of Christ when we say that those who die before accountability will need some future baptism. They do not need baptism at all. Those who believe such are in danger of death and hell.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663300;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Moroni 8:22&lt;/strong&gt; For behold that all little children are &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Salvation of Little Children." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/22a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663300;"&gt;alive&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663300;"&gt; in Christ, and also all they that are without the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Acts 17: 30." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/22b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663300;"&gt;law&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663300;"&gt;. For the power of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Redemption." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/22c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663300;"&gt;redemption&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663300;"&gt; cometh on all them that have &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Accountability." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/22d" type="B" mark="d"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663300;"&gt;no&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663300;"&gt; law; wherefore, he that is not condemned, or he that is under no condemnation, cannot repent; and unto such baptism availeth nothing—&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a name="23"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663300;"&gt;  23 But it is mockery before God, denying the mercies of Christ, and the power of his Holy Spirit, and putting trust in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 22: 2." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/moro/8/23a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663300;"&gt;dead&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663300;"&gt; works.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;Redemption will come to all those who have no law given. Little children are redeemed, without law, and under the mercy of Christ.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#330033;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Mosiah 3:16&lt;/strong&gt; And even if it were possible that little &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Conceived in Sin." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mosiah/3/16a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#330033;"&gt;children&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#330033;"&gt; could sin they could not be saved; but I say unto you they are &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Salvation of Little Children." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mosiah/3/16b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#330033;"&gt;blessed&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#330033;"&gt;; for behold, as in Adam, or by nature, they fall, even so the blood of Christ &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Moro. 8: 8 (8-9); Moses 6: 54 (54-56); TG Jesus Christ, Atonement through." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mosiah/3/16c" type="C" mark="c"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#330033;"&gt;atoneth&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#330033;"&gt; for their sins.&lt;br /&gt;...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#330033;"&gt;21 And behold, when that time cometh, none shall be found &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Col. 1: 22; D&amp;amp;C 4: 2; TG Accountability." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mosiah/3/21a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#330033;"&gt;blameless&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#330033;"&gt; before God, except it be little children, only through repentance and faith on the name of the Lord God Omnipotent.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;The blood of Christ has atoned for the little children. You cannot get a higher blessing than that. Little children will be found blameless before God. If they are blameless (which they are) they will receive Celestial Glory.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc6600;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;D&amp;amp;C 29:46&lt;/strong&gt; But behold, I say unto you, that little &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Moro. 8: 12 (8, 12, 22); D&amp;amp;C 93: 38; TG Children; TG Conceived in Sin; TG Salvation of Little Children." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/29/46a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc6600;"&gt;children&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc6600;"&gt; are &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 74: 7; TG Jesus Christ, Redeemer; TG Redemption." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/29/46b" type="C" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc6600;"&gt;redeemed&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc6600;"&gt; from the foundation of the world through mine Only Begotten; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc6600;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc6600;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;D&amp;amp;C 74:7&lt;/strong&gt; But little &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Children; TG Family." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/74/7a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc6600;"&gt;children&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc6600;"&gt; are &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Moro. 8: 8 (8-15); D&amp;amp;C 29: 46; TG Holiness." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/74/7b" type="C" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc6600;"&gt;holy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc6600;"&gt;, being &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Salvation of Little Children." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/74/7c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc6600;"&gt;sanctified&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc6600;"&gt; through the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Jesus Christ, Atonement through." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/74/7d" type="B" mark="d"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc6600;"&gt;atonement&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc6600;"&gt; of Jesus Christ; and this is what the scriptures mean. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc6600;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc6600;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Mosiah 15:25&lt;/strong&gt; And little &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 29: 46; D&amp;amp;C 137: 10; TG Salvation of Little Children." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mosiah/15/25a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc6600;"&gt;children&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc6600;"&gt; also have eternal life.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;Little children are redeemed, sanctified by the atonement, and they do have eternal life. Mosiah 15 lays out who will take part in the first resurrection. Those who are brought forth in the first resurrection have eternal life. Little children are among those people.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;Joseph Smith spoke of the salvation of little children quite a bit while in Nauvoo. When speaking of the resurrection of the dead he said the following:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;"Children will be enthroned in the presence of God and the Lamb with bodies of the same stature that they had on earth, having been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb; they will there enjoy the fulness of the light, glory and intelligence, which is prepared in the celestial kingdom." [History of the Church, V4, Pg. 555-6]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;br&gt;"'Will mothers have their children in eternity?' Yes! Yes! Mothers you shall have your children; for they shall have eternal life, for their debt is paid. There is no damnation awaiting them for they are in the spirit." [History of the Church, V6, Pg. 316]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I know that this is true. I know that little children are alive in Christ. I know that they are exempt from the law of baptism because they are not under the law. They are redeemed with the atonement from the foundation of the world. Our God is mighty to save!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1740428248121208210-3924774020016648633?l=truthseekertoo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/feeds/3924774020016648633/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/09/disturbing-thought.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/3924774020016648633'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/3924774020016648633'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/09/disturbing-thought.html' title='A Disturbing Thought about the Salvation of Little Children'/><author><name>TruthSeekerToo</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05167470143569702579</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740428248121208210.post-5736891263147603559</id><published>2009-09-16T18:03:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-09-17T08:03:31.883-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christ'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atonement'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='birth'/><title type='text'>Birth</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;Not long ago I began to question the necessity of Christ's death on the cross. I didn't believe that a loving Father would require that for the redemption of his children. In other words, couldn't redemption come a different way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, I have come to a new understanding that seems reasonable and loving.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I no longer believe that God the Father sent another to die for us. I believe God died for us. This feels right to me in several ways. First, a father would gladly give his life for his child. Second, there is plenty of scriptural evidence to support the idea that Jehovah is our Eternal Father and condescended to be our Savior. Third, it is hard to understand why God would make one of his other (innocent) children to die to save the rest. I'm not going to say I fully comprehend the Godhead or how this all works, but I know that through accepting the Atonement we become children of Christ. So, however you slice it, we are (or become) his sons and daughters.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have been given a small glimpse into the beauty of birth and rebirth. I've discovered it doesn't have to be logical or something we can reason out in our minds. But I do believe it is perfectly merciful and loving.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;BIRTH&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our sacred mortal birth is through water, blood and spirit. It is messy. It is painful. Our mother sacrifices herself to give us this gift. Our mothers work and glory is bringing to pass our mortal life and nurturing us in all ways.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;REBIRTH&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our second or spiritual birth is also through water, spirit and blood. It is messy and painful. Our Father sacrificed himself to give us this gift. Our Father's work and glory is to bring to pass the eternal life and immortality of all mankind. He offers us living water that we might never thirst again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;BLOOD&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;Why blood? I don't know that I fully comprehend the symbolism. It is ironic to me that we are "cleansed" through the blood of Christ.&lt;br /&gt;But I do know that my babies were born in blood and water and yet pure as driven snow.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#330099;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moses/6/59#59"&gt;Moses 6:59&lt;/a&gt; That by reason of transgression cometh the fall, which fall bringeth death, and inasmuch as ye were born into the world by water, and blood, and the spirit, which I have made, and so became of dust a living soul, even so ye must be born again into the kingdom of heaven, of water, and of the Spirit, and be cleansed by blood, even the blood of mine Only Begotten; that ye might be sanctified from all sin, and enjoy the words of eternal life in this world, and eternal life in the world to come, even immortal glory;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;I also think it is amazingly perfect that we are born of mother and of Father. They both bleed for us. They both nourish us. They both give us a gift we cannot give ourselves.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1740428248121208210-5736891263147603559?l=truthseekertoo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/feeds/5736891263147603559/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/09/birth.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/5736891263147603559'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/5736891263147603559'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/09/birth.html' title='Birth'/><author><name>TruthSeekerToo</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05167470143569702579</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740428248121208210.post-5625021772995726721</id><published>2009-09-13T18:07:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-09-13T19:47:09.275-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='salvation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='law'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mercy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='justice'/><title type='text'>Jesus Points out Two Ways</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;Luke 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Prayer." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/luke/luke/18/10a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;pray&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt; 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Isa. 65: 5; Alma 31: 16 (14-18)" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/luke/luke/18/11a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;not&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt; as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt; 12 I &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Ex. 34: 28." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/luke/luke/18/12a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;fast&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt; twice in the week, I give &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Tithing." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/luke/luke/18/12b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;tithes&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt; of all that I &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="GR acquire, gain, or possess." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/luke/luke/18/12c" type="P" mark="c"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;possess&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt; 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Alma 38: 14 (13-14); TG Contrite Heart." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/luke/luke/18/13a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;sinner&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt; 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="2 Cor. 10: 18; TG Haughtiness." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/luke/luke/18/14a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;exalteth&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt; himself shall be abased; and he that &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Ether 12: 27; D&amp;amp;C 101: 42; D&amp;amp;C 124: 114." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/luke/luke/18/14b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;humbleth&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt; himself shall be exalted.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are some amazing lessons in this parable. I am not going to write too much about it because I don't want to detract from the simplicity and beauty of these scriptures.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think the concept of working for our "exaltation" is a dangerous one.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of these men was seeking to be justified by the law. The other was justified by the mercy of the Lord. Jesus called the sinner justified for his confession and humility. The man who obeyed the law did not go home justified.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We also have this beautiful account of the woman, a sinner, who washed the Savior's feet with her tears.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;Luke 7:36 And one of the Pharisees desired him that he would eat with him. And he went into the Pharisee’s house, and sat down to meat.&lt;br /&gt; 37 And, behold, a &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Woman." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/luke/7/luke/7/37a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;woman&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt; in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee’s house, brought an alabaster &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="GR flask." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/luke/7/luke/7/37b" type="P" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;box&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt; of ointment,&lt;br /&gt; 38 And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Anointing." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/luke/7/luke/7/38a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;anointed&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt; them with the ointment.&lt;br /&gt; 39 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.&lt;br /&gt; 40 And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on.&lt;br /&gt; 41 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="GR denarii; one denarius was a workman’s daily wage." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/luke/7/luke/7/41a" type="P" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;pence&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;, and the other fifty.&lt;br /&gt; 42 And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Forgiveness." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/luke/7/luke/7/42a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;forgave&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt; them both. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Jesus Christ, Teaching Mode of." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/luke/7/luke/7/42b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;Tell&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt; me therefore, which of them will love him most?&lt;br /&gt; 43 Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.&lt;br /&gt; 44 And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head.&lt;br /&gt; 45 Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.&lt;br /&gt; 46 My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.&lt;br /&gt; 47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Forgiveness." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/luke/7/luke/7/47a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;forgiven&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.&lt;br /&gt; 48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Mark 2: 5." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/luke/7/luke/7/48a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;forgiven&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;.&lt;br /&gt; 49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Remission of Sins." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/luke/7/luke/7/49a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;forgiveth&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt; sins also?&lt;br /&gt; 50 And he said to the woman, Thy &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Matt. 9: 2; Ether 12: 4." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/luke/7/luke/7/50a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;faith&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt; hath saved thee; go in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Mosiah 15: 18." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/luke/7/luke/7/50b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;peace&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;Mercy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;Forgiveness&lt;br /&gt;Love &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;Humility&lt;br /&gt;Charity &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;Faith&lt;br /&gt;Hope&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These are the keys to salvation. It is by faith that we are made whole. Faith in what? The Atonement of Jesus Christ. If we rely upon the merits of he who is mighty to save.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;2 Nephi 31:19 And now, my beloved brethren, after ye have gotten into this strait and narrow &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Hosea 14: 9 (8-9)" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/31/19a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;path&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;, I would ask if all is &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Mosiah 4: 10." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/31/19b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;done&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;? Behold, I say unto you, Nay; for ye have not come thus far save it were by the word of Christ with unshaken &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Faith." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/31/19c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;faith&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt; in him, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Moro. 6: 4; D&amp;amp;C 3: 20; Moses 7: 53." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/31/19d" type="A" mark="d"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;relying&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt; wholly upon the merits of him who is mighty to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Jesus Christ, Atonement through." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/31/19e" type="B" mark="e"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;save&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a name="14"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;Alma 22:14 And since man had &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Fall of Man." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/22/14a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;fallen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt; he could not &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Eph. 2: 8 (8-9); Alma 42: 14 (10-25)" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/22/14b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;merit&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt; anything of himself; but the sufferings and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Jesus Christ, Death of." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/22/14c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;death&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt; of Christ &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="2 Ne. 2: 10; Alma 33: 22; Alma 34: 9 (8-16)" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/22/14d" type="A" mark="d"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;atone&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt; for their sins, through faith and repentance, and so forth; and that he breaketh the bands of death, that the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="Isa. 25: 8; 1 Cor. 15: 55 (34-57)" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/22/14e" type="A" mark="e"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;grave&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt; shall have no victory, and that the sting of death should be swallowed up in the hopes of glory; and Aaron did expound all these things unto the king.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;Moroni 6:4 And after they had been received unto baptism, and were wrought upon and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Purification." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/6/4a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;cleansed&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt; by the power of the Holy Ghost, they were numbered among the people of the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="TG Jesus Christ, Head of the Church." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/6/4b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;church&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt; of Christ; and their &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 20: 82; D&amp;amp;C 47: 1 (1-4)" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/6/4c" type="A" mark="c"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;names&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt; were taken, that they might be remembered and nourished by the good word of God, to keep them in the right way, to keep them continually &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 20: 53; TG Watchfulness." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/6/4d" type="C" mark="d"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;watchful&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt; unto prayer, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a title="2 Ne. 31: 19; D&amp;amp;C 3: 20." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/6/4e" type="A" mark="e"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt;relying&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#660000;"&gt; alone upon the merits of Christ, who was the author and the finisher of their faith.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hope we all will feel the love of our Savior and learn to rely on him. If you want to listen to one of my favorite Christian worship songs on youtube &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yVAYuK7YE0"&gt;click here&lt;/a&gt;. It is called "Mighty to Save" by Hillsong United.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1740428248121208210-5625021772995726721?l=truthseekertoo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/feeds/5625021772995726721/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/09/jesus-points-out-two-ways.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/5625021772995726721'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/5625021772995726721'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/09/jesus-points-out-two-ways.html' title='Jesus Points out Two Ways'/><author><name>TruthSeekerToo</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05167470143569702579</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740428248121208210.post-4774536088578916129</id><published>2009-09-10T12:07:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-09-10T13:26:29.631-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='books'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='book of mormon'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Joseph Smith'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Brigham Young'/><title type='text'>I Love Books!!!</title><content type='html'>I am so excited! I was going through my parents library and found the box set of the &lt;a href="http://product.half.ebay.com/History-of-the-Church_W0QQprZ922655QQtgZinfo"&gt;History of the Church&lt;/a&gt;. Woohoo! So I have been reading through it for the past week.&lt;br /&gt;Today I looked closer and found they have another box set which contains the Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Doctrines of Salvation 1-3, the Discourses of Brigham Young and a few other books (that we all have in triplicate). I also discovered they have the &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000N48MZI?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;tag=rotogr-20&amp;amp;linkCode=as2&amp;amp;camp=1789&amp;amp;creative=390957&amp;amp;creativeASIN=B000N48MZI"&gt;Life of Joseph Smith the Prophet&lt;/a&gt;&lt;img style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none" height="1" alt="" src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=rotogr-20&amp;amp;l=as2&amp;amp;o=1&amp;amp;a=B000N48MZI" width="1" border="0" /&gt;, by George Q. Cannon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I just got my own copy of &lt;a href="http://product.half.ebay.com/Joseph-Smiths-New-Translation-of-the-Bible_W0QQtgZinfoQQprZ971523"&gt;Joseph Smith's "New Translation" of the Bible &lt;/a&gt;a couple days ago. It has been great to reference. Especially since I am taking the Old Testament Institute class at church. Today at class I noticed another person using this book.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am anxiously awaiting my copy of the brand new book &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0300142188?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;tag=rotogr-20&amp;amp;linkCode=as2&amp;amp;camp=1789&amp;amp;creative=390957&amp;amp;creativeASIN=0300142188"&gt;The Book of Mormon: The Earliest Text&lt;/a&gt;&lt;img style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none" height="1" alt="" src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=rotogr-20&amp;amp;l=as2&amp;amp;o=1&amp;amp;a=0300142188" width="1" border="0" /&gt; by Royal Skousen. I ordered my copy from Amazon for $23 and after adding some tape I qualified for FREE shipping. I had earned $10 in gift cards and so I only paid $15 and change! Yay!!!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm not sure if being this excited about books makes me a nerd or not. Either way, I wish I could find more time to read!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1740428248121208210-4774536088578916129?l=truthseekertoo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/feeds/4774536088578916129/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/09/i-love-books.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/4774536088578916129'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/4774536088578916129'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/09/i-love-books.html' title='I Love Books!!!'/><author><name>TruthSeekerToo</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05167470143569702579</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740428248121208210.post-4267836388674047776</id><published>2009-08-21T23:43:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-08-21T23:53:45.153-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christ'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='charity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mercy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atonement'/><title type='text'>Pure Love of Christ</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;Charity is pretty much my favorite gospel topic right now. That and mercy. I love it! I want to talk about it all the time and read about it and learn more about how to have it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Charity is so important that Joseph Smith talked about it in every Relief Society meeting he spoke at. He was urging the saints towards charity.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663366;"&gt;1 Cor. 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.&lt;br /&gt;2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.&lt;br /&gt;3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.&lt;br /&gt;4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, • • •&lt;br /&gt;8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;Moroni 7: 44 If so, his faith and hope is vain, for none is acceptable before God, save the meek and lowly in heart; and if a man be meek and lowly in heart, and confesses by the power of the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Christ, he must needs have charity; for if he have not charity he is nothing; wherefore he must needs have charity.&lt;br /&gt;45 And charity suffereth long, and is kind, and envieth not, and is not puffed up, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil, and rejoiceth not in iniquity but rejoiceth in the truth, beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.&lt;br /&gt;46 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, if ye have not charity, ye are nothing, for charity never faileth. Wherefore, cleave unto charity, which is the greatest of all, for all things must fail—&lt;br /&gt;47 But charity is the pure love of Christ, and it endureth forever; and whoso is found possessed of it at the last day, it shall be well with him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#339999;"&gt;1 Peter 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc0000;"&gt;Col. 3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ff6600;"&gt;1 Tim. 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#666666;"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 88:125 And above all things, clothe yourselves with the bond of charity, as with a mantle, which is the bond of perfectness and peace.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000066;"&gt;“It is one evidence that men are unacquainted with the principles of godliness to behold the contraction of affectionate feelings and lack of charity in the world. The power and glory of godliness is spread out on a broad principle to throw out the mantle of [b]charity[/b]. God does not look on sin with allowance, but when men have sinned, there must be allowance made for them. … The nearer we get to our heavenly Father, the more we are disposed to look with compassion on perishing souls; we feel that we want to take them upon our shoulders, and cast their sins behind our backs. …" Joseph Smith&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;I am especially struck by the verse in 1 Peter. Do you believe we could cover the multitude of sins if we have fervent charity among us? Is it possible for us to love our family, friends and neighbors so much that we want to lift them up and put their sins behind us?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are nothing without charity. We can do great things, but without charity it does nothing for us. We cannot be saved in the kingdom of God without it. Charity &lt;em&gt;never&lt;/em&gt; fails even when other things fail. Have you noticed the connection between charity and the Atonement?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I love the images of "cleave to charity" and "clothe yourself in charity" and the "mantle of charity." It makes me feel like it is something to fill or encompass my entire being. Cleave to charity like you cleave to your beloved spouse. It is the bond of perfectness and peace!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When we see someone perishing, how does our heart tell us to treat them? Do we desire to inflict further harm and pain or do we desire to "put them on our shoulders" and relieve their burden? Charity suffers long and is kind. How do we suffer long? How might this relate to the suffering of Christ? Is this how we "take up his cross" and follow him?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Charity is the most glorious gift we can give or receive. It is a power can change the world. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1740428248121208210-4267836388674047776?l=truthseekertoo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/feeds/4267836388674047776/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/08/charity-is-pretty-much-my-favorite.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/4267836388674047776'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/4267836388674047776'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/08/charity-is-pretty-much-my-favorite.html' title='Pure Love of Christ'/><author><name>TruthSeekerToo</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05167470143569702579</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740428248121208210.post-9210116700597607484</id><published>2009-08-04T09:45:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-08-04T11:02:31.448-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prophecy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christ'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='gospel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='doctrine'/><title type='text'>Counfounding of False Doctrines</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;2 Nephi 3:12 Wherefore, the fruit of thy loins shall &lt;a title="TG Book of Mormon." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/3/2_ne/3/12a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;write&lt;/a&gt;; and the fruit of the loins of &lt;a title="1 Ne. 13: 23 (23-29); 2 Ne. 29: 12." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/3/2_ne/3/12b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;Judah&lt;/a&gt; shall &lt;a title="TG Scriptures, Preservation of; TG Scriptures, Writing of." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/3/2_ne/3/12c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;write&lt;/a&gt;; and that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins, and also that which shall be written by the fruit of the loins of Judah, shall grow together, unto the &lt;a title="Ezek. 37: 17 (15-20); 1 Ne. 13: 39 (38-41); 2 Ne. 29: 8; 2 Ne. 33: 10 (10-11)." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/3/2_ne/3/12d" type="A" mark="d"&gt;confounding&lt;/a&gt; of &lt;a title="TG False Doctrine." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/3/2_ne/3/12e" type="B" mark="e"&gt;false&lt;/a&gt; doctrines and laying down of contentions, and establishing &lt;a title="TG Peacemakers." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/3/2_ne/3/12f" type="B" mark="f"&gt;peace&lt;/a&gt; among the fruit of thy loins, and &lt;a title="Moro. 1: 4." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/3/2_ne/3/12g" type="A" mark="g"&gt;bringing&lt;/a&gt; them to the &lt;a title="1 Ne. 15: 14; 2 Ne. 30: 5; 3 Ne. 5: 23; Morm. 7: 9 (1, 5, 9-10)." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/3/2_ne/3/12h" type="A" mark="h"&gt;knowledge&lt;/a&gt; of their fathers in the latter days, and also to the knowledge of my covenants, saith the Lord.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I have to wonder how and when this is going to happen. The Book of Mormon has not yet fulfilled this prophecy. False doctrine has not been confounded and contentions still exist. Peace has yet to be established.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Father in Heaven will not take away our agency and force us to believe. So, I ponder, how can this scripture come to pass.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In my mind, I can only come up with the idea that everyone trancends their current belief systems to a higher, unified one. It would have to go beyond religous institution.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I'm also left thinking it would need to be very, very simple and open. Like the gospel of love and the doctrine outlined by Jesus Christ.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;3 Nephi 11:28 And according as I have commanded you thus shall ye baptize. And&lt;br /&gt;there shall be no &lt;a title="Acts 4: 32; 1 Cor. 1: 10 (10-13); Eph. 4: 13 (11-14); D&amp;amp;C 38: 27; TG Disputations." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/28a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;disputations&lt;/a&gt; among you, as there have hitherto been; neither shall&lt;br /&gt;there be disputations among you concerning the points of my doctrine, as there&lt;br /&gt;have hitherto been.&lt;br /&gt; 29 For verily, verily I say unto you, he that hath the spirit of &lt;a title="2 Tim. 2: 24 (23-24); Mosiah 23: 15; TG Contention." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/29a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;contention&lt;/a&gt; is not of me, but is of the &lt;a title="Eph. 4: 27 (26-27); Mosiah 2: 32 (32-33); Alma 2: 5; Alma 45: 23; Hel. 4: 1." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/29b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;devil&lt;/a&gt;, who is the father of contention, and he stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger, one with another.&lt;br /&gt; 30 Behold, this is not my doctrine, to stir up the hearts of men with anger, one against another; but this is my doctrine, that such things &lt;a title="Mark 9: 50; John 16: 33." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/30a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;should&lt;/a&gt; be done away.&lt;br /&gt; 31 Behold, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will declare unto you my &lt;a title="John 18: 37; 2 Ne. 31: 21 (2-21)." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/31a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;doctrine&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt; 32 And this is my &lt;a title="TG Jesus Christ, Teaching Mode of." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/32a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;doctrine&lt;/a&gt;, and it is the doctrine which the Father hath given unto&lt;br /&gt;me; and I bear &lt;a title="1 Jn. 5: 7 (6-9); TG Jesus Christ, Relationships with the Father." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/32b" type="C" mark="b"&gt;record&lt;/a&gt; of the Father, and the Father beareth record of me, and the &lt;a title="3 Ne. 28: 11; Ether 5: 4; Moses 1: 24." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/32c" type="A" mark="c"&gt;Holy&lt;/a&gt; Ghost beareth record of the Father and me; and I bear record that the Father&lt;br /&gt;commandeth all men, everywhere, to repent and believe in me.&lt;br /&gt; 33 And whoso believeth in me, and is &lt;a title="Mark 16: 16; TG Baptism, Essential." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/33a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;baptized&lt;/a&gt;, the same shall be &lt;a title="TG Salvation, Plan of." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/33b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;saved&lt;/a&gt;; and they are they who shall &lt;a title="TG Exaltation." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/33c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;inherit&lt;/a&gt; the kingdom of God.&lt;br /&gt; 34 And whoso believeth not in me, and is not &lt;a title="TG Baptism." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/34a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;baptized&lt;/a&gt;, shall be damned.  35 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that this is my doctrine, and I bear record of it from the Father; and whoso &lt;a title="Ether 4: 12." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/35a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;believeth&lt;/a&gt; in me believeth in the Father also; and unto him will the Father bear record of me, for he will visit him &lt;a title="3 Ne. 9: 20; Ether 12: 2." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/35b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;with&lt;/a&gt; fire and with the &lt;a title="TG Holy Ghost, Baptism of." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/35c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;Holy&lt;/a&gt; Ghost.&lt;br /&gt; 36 And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the &lt;a title="TG Holy Ghost, Source of Testimony." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/36a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;Holy&lt;/a&gt; Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are &lt;a title="TG Godhead; TG Unity." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/36b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;one&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt; 37 And again I say unto you, ye must repent, and &lt;a title="Mark 10: 15; Luke 18: 17." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/37a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;become&lt;/a&gt; as a &lt;a title="3 Ne. 9: 22." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/37b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;little&lt;/a&gt; child, and be baptized in my name, or ye can in nowise receive these things.&lt;br /&gt; 38 And again I say unto you, ye must repent, and be baptized in my name, and become as a little &lt;a title="TG Baptism, Qualifications for." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/38a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;child&lt;/a&gt;, or ye can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God.&lt;br /&gt; 39 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that this is my &lt;a title="Mark 4: 2." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/39a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;doctrine&lt;/a&gt;, and whoso &lt;a title="Matt. 7: 24 (24-29); 1 Pet. 2: 6 (4-8); 1 Ne. 13: 36; TG Rock." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/39b" type="C" mark="b"&gt;buildeth&lt;/a&gt; upon this buildeth upon my rock, and the &lt;a title="Matt. 16: 18; 3 Ne. 18: 13 (12-13); D&amp;amp;C 17: 8." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/39c" type="A" mark="c"&gt;gates&lt;/a&gt; of hell shall not prevail against them.&lt;br /&gt; 40 And whoso shall &lt;a title="Rom. 16: 17 (17-19); 1 Tim. 1: 3." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/40a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;declare&lt;/a&gt; more or less than this, and establish it for my doctrine,&lt;br /&gt;the same cometh of evil, and is not built upon my rock; but he buildeth upon a &lt;a title="3 Ne. 14: 26 (24-27)." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/40b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;sandy&lt;/a&gt; foundation, and the gates of hell stand open to receive such when the floods come and the winds beat upon them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What a beautiful, simple doctrine Christ outlines. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The only real obstacle I see is that so small a percentage of the world is Christian (or Judea-Christian). I wonder how on earth "every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ." Now, I'm not saying it won't happen, just that it stretched the imagination beyond the breaking point.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Could it be that we just do not understand this prophecy? Could we be taking it too literally? Could it be that all religions, cultures and people have enough truth and pointers towards Christ, the Eternal God?&lt;br /&gt;If they use different words, symbols and rituals to arrive at the same eternal truths-would that still fulfill the prophecy?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1740428248121208210-9210116700597607484?l=truthseekertoo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/feeds/9210116700597607484/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/08/counfounding-of-false-doctrines.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/9210116700597607484'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/9210116700597607484'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/08/counfounding-of-false-doctrines.html' title='Counfounding of False Doctrines'/><author><name>TruthSeekerToo</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05167470143569702579</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740428248121208210.post-2238836664592484657</id><published>2009-08-02T09:00:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-08-02T09:00:02.814-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='law'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='adultery'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mercy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='monogomy'/><title type='text'>The Woman taken in Adultery</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/john/8/3-4#3"&gt;John 8:3 &lt;/a&gt;And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,&lt;br /&gt;4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.&lt;br /&gt;5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?&lt;br /&gt;6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.&lt;br /&gt;8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.&lt;br /&gt;9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.&lt;br /&gt;10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?&lt;br /&gt;11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.&lt;br /&gt;12 ¶ Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus Christ is my hero. My soul sings at the tender mercy he offers all mankind.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John is the only gospel that contains the story of the woman taken in adultery. It is such a beautiful story, I am grateful we have it. I know this God, he is my Eternal God and Savior.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This woman was taken in the very act of adultery. There are some disturbing things about this. First, where is the man she was with? He, too, is guilty. Second, this is daytime, I smell a set-up. Those are the results of the law.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;According to Jewish law (which was a curse) she was to be stoned. Jesus says that he who is without sin should cast the first stone. Being under the law, they were all sinners and could not do it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then, in the most beautiful act of mercy, Jesus condemns her &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; and tells her to go and sin no more. Perfect! The only way she could sin no more is if she is no longer under the law. I believe that her trust in Jesus Christ released her from the bondage of the law (sin) and made her free.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I find it so confusing that Jesus would deal so mercifully with this woman and have so much wrath towards Emma and the early female saints. It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't even sound like the same God. The confusion melts away when I come to the knowledge that D&amp;amp;C 132 is a cursing, just like the law of the Old Testament.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There is a choice to be made. We can live the law of justice, carnal commandments and cursings OR we can be claimed by mercy, walk in the light and be free in Christ.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1740428248121208210-2238836664592484657?l=truthseekertoo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/feeds/2238836664592484657/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/08/woman-taken-in-adultery.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/2238836664592484657'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/2238836664592484657'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/08/woman-taken-in-adultery.html' title='The Woman taken in Adultery'/><author><name>TruthSeekerToo</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05167470143569702579</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740428248121208210.post-8895163405723566820</id><published>2009-08-01T11:05:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-08-01T17:44:48.736-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='women'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='polygamy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='monogomy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Joseph Smith'/><title type='text'>Why I don't believe in Polygamy Part Deux</title><content type='html'>I realized I left out a whole lot of really important points in my last article. And since this remains such a hot topic on LDS forums and the Bloggernacle I have decided it warrants a second look.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*&lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/58/19,21,36#19"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 58: 21&lt;/a&gt; Let no man break the &lt;a title="Matt. 17: 24 (24-27); Luke 20: 22 (22-26); D&amp;amp;C 20: 1; D&amp;amp;C 51: 6; D&amp;amp;C 98: 9 (4-10); A of F 12; TG Citizenship; TG Governments." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/58/21a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;laws&lt;/a&gt; of the land, for he that keepeth the laws of God hath no need to break the laws of the land.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, it has been argued that God only expects us to keep &lt;em&gt;constitutional &lt;/em&gt;laws. Well, there is no evidence that Joseph Smith ever fought anti-bigamy laws. In fact, all evidence points to him speaking out against polygamy. Plus, if we believe that America was set up for the Restoration wouldn't that follow that the laws were capable of sustaining God's laws?&lt;br /&gt;Last time I checked the LDS church teaches to be subject to the powers that be. We don't teach the gospel in countries where it is illegal, for example.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*&lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/28,30-32,35,39-40#28"&gt;3 Nephi 11&lt;/a&gt; contains the doctrine of Christ's church. It breaks down to faith, repentance, baptism and become as a little child. 3 Nephi 11:40 And whoso shall &lt;a title="Rom. 16: 17 (17-19); 1 Tim. 1: 3." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/40a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;declare&lt;/a&gt; more or less than this, and establish it for my doctrine, the same cometh of evil, and is not built upon my rock; but he buildeth upon a &lt;a title="3 Ne. 14: 26 (24-27)." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11/3_ne/11/40b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;sandy&lt;/a&gt; foundation, and the gates of hell stand open to receive such when the floods come and the winds beat upon them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Notice that polygamy is absent from the list.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*Polygamy is absent from what would appear to be the most important times to repopulate the earth. Adam and Noah were monogomists. So were Lehi and all his sons. (thanks Fabledsog for bringing up this point)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*Article of Faith 12 We believe in being &lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 134: 1 (1-11); TG Citizenship; TG Governments." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/a_of_f/a_of_f/1/12a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;subject&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a title="TG Kings, Earthly." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/a_of_f/a_of_f/1/12b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;kings&lt;/a&gt;, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in &lt;a title="TG Obedience." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/a_of_f/a_of_f/1/12c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;obeying&lt;/a&gt;, honoring, and sustaining the &lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 58: 21 (21-23)." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/a_of_f/a_of_f/1/12d" type="A" mark="d"&gt;law&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This was part of canon and well known to the saints. Do we believe it or not? Is it a lie?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*Article of Faith 13 &lt;a title="Philip. 4: 8." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/a_of_f/a_of_f/1/13a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;We&lt;/a&gt; believe in being &lt;a title="TG Honesty; TG Integrity." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/a_of_f/a_of_f/1/13b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;honest&lt;/a&gt;, true, &lt;a title="TG Chastity." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/a_of_f/a_of_f/1/13c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;chaste&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a title="TG Benevolence." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/a_of_f/a_of_f/1/13d" type="B" mark="d"&gt;benevolent&lt;/a&gt;, virtuous, and in doing &lt;a title="TG Good Works." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/a_of_f/a_of_f/1/13e" type="B" mark="e"&gt;good&lt;/a&gt; to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we &lt;a title="TG Hope." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/a_of_f/a_of_f/1/13f" type="B" mark="f"&gt;hope&lt;/a&gt; all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to &lt;a title="TG Perseverance; TG Steadfastness." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/a_of_f/a_of_f/1/13g" type="B" mark="g"&gt;endure&lt;/a&gt; all things. If there is anything &lt;a title="TG Modesty; TG Virtue." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/a_of_f/a_of_f/1/13h" type="B" mark="h"&gt;virtuous&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a title="TG Beauty." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/a_of_f/a_of_f/1/13i" type="B" mark="i"&gt;lovely&lt;/a&gt;, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Again, do we really believe in being honest and true? Do we believe in doing good to ALL men or will we steal the wives of some?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will warn you that I am about to pick apart &lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/132"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 132&lt;/a&gt;. I will point out conflict with previous scripture and the nature of our Loving God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;D&amp;amp;C 132:41 And as ye have asked concerning adultery, verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man &lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 132: 19 (4-7, 19)." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/132/41a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;receiveth&lt;/a&gt; a wife in the new and everlasting covenant, and if she be with another man, and I have not appointed unto her by the holy &lt;a title="TG Anointing." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/132/41b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;anointing&lt;/a&gt;, she hath committed &lt;a title="TG Adultery." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/132/41c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;adultery&lt;/a&gt; and shall be destroyed.&lt;br /&gt;42 If she be not in the new and everlasting covenant, and she be with another man, she has &lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 42: 24 (22-26)." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/132/42a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;committed&lt;/a&gt; adultery.&lt;br /&gt;43 And if her husband be with another woman, and he was under a &lt;a title="TG Covenants; TG Marriage; TG Vows." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/132/43a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;vow&lt;/a&gt;, he hath broken his vow and hath committed adultery.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you read this passage closely you will notice that the &lt;em&gt;woman&lt;/em&gt; will be destroyed for adultery but not the &lt;em&gt;man&lt;/em&gt;! Seriously?!?! God appears to hate women in these passages, but I testify that he loves women.&lt;br /&gt;Now, you should also notice that it says if a woman is not sealed to her husband and is with another man it is &lt;strong&gt;adultery&lt;/strong&gt;! Joseph took several married women as wives in direct conflict to this passage.&lt;br /&gt;It is also very likely that Joseph and Emma took vows of monogomy when they were married. If true, he was in violation of verse 43.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;D&amp;amp;C 132:51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to &lt;a title="Gen. 22: 1; Ex. 15: 25 (23-26); D&amp;amp;C 98: 14 (12-14); D&amp;amp;C 101: 4; D&amp;amp;C 124: 55; Abr. 3: 25; TG Test, Try, Prove." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/132/51a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;prove&lt;/a&gt; you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What did Joseph offer her? Well, some historians claim that she was offered another husband by Joseph.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;D&amp;amp;C 132:52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, &lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 132: 65." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/132/52a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;receive&lt;/a&gt; all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Wow, so again, God will destroy the women. I guess someone forgot about the Atonement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;D&amp;amp;C 132:54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and &lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 42: 22; TG Marriage, Husbands." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/132/54a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;cleave&lt;/a&gt; unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be &lt;a title="Acts 3: 23; D&amp;amp;C 25: 15." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/132/54b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;destroyed&lt;/a&gt;, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet more talk of destroying Emma. I'm kinda surprised she outlived Joseph. She did fight against polygamy.&lt;br /&gt;It also uses a familiar script. Cleave unto your husband and no other. We see that repeated in the scriptures that men should have one wife and cleave to her and none else. Are we to believe that sometimes God means it and other times he doesn't? Are we being Punk'd?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;D&amp;amp;C 42:22 Thou shalt &lt;a title="TG Family, Love within; TG Love; TG Marriage, Continuing Courtship in; TG Marriage, Husbands; TG Marriage, Wives." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/42/22a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;love&lt;/a&gt; thy wife with all thy heart, and shalt &lt;a title="Gen. 2: 24 (23-24); D&amp;amp;C 49: 15 (15-16); Moses 3: 24 (23-24); Abr. 5: 18 (17-18); TG Divorce." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/42/22b" type="C" mark="b"&gt;cleave&lt;/a&gt; unto her&lt;strong&gt; and none else&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;D&amp;amp;C 132:55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an &lt;a title="Mark 10: 30 (28-31)." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/132/55a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;hundredfold&lt;/a&gt; in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of &lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 132: 22 (22-24); TG Family, Eternal." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/132/55b" type="C" mark="b"&gt;eternal&lt;/a&gt; lives in the eternal worlds.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This passage clearly promises these things &lt;em&gt;in this world&lt;/em&gt;-not limited to the next. As yet, all DNA testing has come up with no children of Joseph outside of his marriage with Emma. This never came to pass.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;D&amp;amp;C 132:61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse &lt;a title="TG Marriage, Plural." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/132/61a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;another&lt;/a&gt;, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else. 62 And if he have &lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 132: 48; OD 1." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/132/62a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;ten&lt;/a&gt; virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here we see that a man can marry 10 virgins with the first wifes approval. They must be virgins who are vowed to no other man. Right here we see there is a problem with the already married women that Joseph took as "celestial wives." It is agaist this passage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;D&amp;amp;C 132:63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to &lt;a title="Gen. 1: 22 (20-25); Jacob 2: 30." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/132/63a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;multiply&lt;/a&gt; and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be &lt;a title="Moses 1: 39." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/132/63b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;glorified&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But wait, there's more! Those women who were already married are gonna get wiped out! Yup, they are so gonna get destroyed! Not the men, mind you, they can commit adultery all the day long and not get God's wrath. Lucky them.&lt;br /&gt;We also see that the command was given so they could multipy (have babies). We still have no proof of children with Joseph and any of his "celestial wives."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;D&amp;amp;C 132: 64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.&lt;br /&gt;65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take &lt;a title="Gen. 16: 2 (1-3); Gen. 25: 12; Gal. 4: 22." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/132/65a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;Hagar&lt;/a&gt; to wife. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, if your husband teaches you about plural marriage-the new New and Everlasting Covenant-you had better believe and give him wives or guess what? You're destroyed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Law of Sarah is referring to the idea that the first wife must give consent for subsequent wives. This law is really nothing more than a curse. It is only there to damn women. See, you don't really have a choice. Submit or be damned is the message.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We also have a conflict with previous scripture here. It says here that God commanded Abraham to take Hagar to wife, but that is not what it says in the Bible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Genesis 16:1 Now Sarai Abram’s wife bare him no children: and she had an&lt;br /&gt;handmaid, an &lt;a title="Gen. 21: 21; Abr. 1: 22 (21-22); Abr. 2: 21." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gen/16/gen/16/1a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;Egyptian&lt;/a&gt;, whose name was &lt;a title="Gen. 21: 9; Gal. 4: 24; D&amp;amp;C 132: 34 (34, 65)." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gen/16/gen/16/1b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;Hagar&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;2 And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the Lord hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my &lt;a title="Gal. 4: 22 (21-31); D&amp;amp;C 132: 34, 65." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gen/16/gen/16/2a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;maid&lt;/a&gt;; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai.&lt;br /&gt;3 And Sarai Abram’s wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.&lt;br /&gt;4 ¶ And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;From the way the story is told here it appears that is was Sarai's lack of faith in the Lord's promise which caused her to offer Hagar to Abram. Hmmm. It says Abram was listening to his wife, not the Lord.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We also can look at the family of Abraham as pretty disfunctional. Let's be clear, sending your wife and child into the wilderness is not to be emulated. This also was done at the behest of Sarai. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We read in the New Testament more about Abraham and what was so great about him. There is no mention of polygamy. His faith is what is remembered. I highly recommend reading all of Galatians 3. It talks about faith versus the works of the law.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Galations 3:5 He therefore that &lt;a title="GR grants, furnishes." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/3/gal/3/5a" type="P" mark="a"&gt;ministereth&lt;/a&gt; to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?&lt;br /&gt;6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for &lt;a title="TG Righteousness." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/3/gal/3/6a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;righteousness&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the &lt;a title="TG Abrahamic Covenant." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/3/gal/3/7a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;children&lt;/a&gt; of Abraham.&lt;br /&gt;8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the &lt;a title="TG Heathen." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/3/gal/3/8a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;heathen&lt;/a&gt; through faith, preached before the &lt;a title="TG Gospel." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/3/gal/3/8b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;gospel&lt;/a&gt; unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all &lt;a title="TG Israel, Mission of." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/3/gal/3/8c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;nations&lt;/a&gt; be &lt;a title="TG Mission of Latter-day Saints." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/3/gal/3/8d" type="B" mark="d"&gt;blessed&lt;/a&gt;. 9 So then they which be of faith are &lt;a title="TG Israel, Blessings of." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/3/gal/3/9a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;blessed&lt;/a&gt; with faithful Abraham.&lt;br /&gt;10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, &lt;a title="TG Curse." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/3/gal/3/10a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;Cursed&lt;/a&gt; is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of&lt;br /&gt;the law to do them.&lt;br /&gt;11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by &lt;a title="TG Faith." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/3/gal/3/11a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;faith&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.&lt;br /&gt;13 Christ hath &lt;a title="Gal. 4: 5." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/3/gal/3/13a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;redeemed&lt;/a&gt; us from the &lt;a title="TG Bondage, Spiritual; TG Curse." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/3/gal/3/13b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;curse&lt;/a&gt; of the &lt;a title="Alma 42: 22 (1-28)." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/3/gal/3/13c" type="A" mark="c"&gt;law&lt;/a&gt;, being made a curse for us: for it is written, &lt;a title="Deut. 21: 23." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/3/gal/3/13d" type="A" mark="d"&gt;Cursed&lt;/a&gt; is every one that hangeth on a tree:&lt;br /&gt;14 That the &lt;a title="TG Blessings; TG Israel, Mission of." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/3/gal/3/14a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;blessing&lt;/a&gt; of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through &lt;a title="Acts 8: 35 (29-35)." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/3/gal/3/14b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;Jesus&lt;/a&gt; Christ; that we might receive the &lt;a title="TG Promises." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/3/gal/3/14c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;promise&lt;/a&gt; of the Spirit through faith. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;There is so much meat here! It is by faith that we are justified. The law is a curse. Abraham's faith and belief was his righteousness. It also becomes clear to me that Abraham and Sarah missed the mark when they took the promise of seed literally. All who are baptised become the seed of Abraham!&lt;br /&gt;Let's revisit D&amp;amp;C 132 and see if we can find more clues that it is a curse.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;D&amp;amp;C 132:58 Now, as touching the law of the &lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 84: 19 (19-26)." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/132/58a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;priesthood&lt;/a&gt;, there are many things pertaining thereunto.&lt;br /&gt;59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was &lt;a title="Heb. 5: 4 (1-6); TG Priesthood, Qualifying for." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/132/59a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;Aaron&lt;/a&gt;, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that &lt;a title="TG Jesus Christ, Authority of." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/132/59b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;sent&lt;/a&gt; me, and I have endowed him with the &lt;a title="TG Priesthood, Keys of." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/132/59c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;keys&lt;/a&gt; of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit &lt;a title="1 Jn. 5: 18." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/132/59d" type="A" mark="d"&gt;sin&lt;/a&gt;, and I will justify him. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I just noticed this today. I don't think it is a coincidence that the name "Aaron" is used in this passage! Aaron did not have the keys to administer the higher priesthood. It is my understanding that those were taken with Moses from the children of Isreal. The priesthood of Aaron can only administer the preparatory gospel. Joseph expounded on what this priesthood has the power to do.&lt;br /&gt;We also just read in Galatians that the law cannot justify. This passage seems to condradict that by saying Joseph is justified by the law.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The priesthood of Levi consisted of cursings and &lt;del&gt;blessing&lt;/del&gt; carnal commandments and not of blessings and if the preisthood of this generation has no more power than that of Levi or Aron or of a bishhoprick it administers no blessings but cursings for it was an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. [Joseph Smith]&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can read all the notes of the&lt;a href="http://www.boap.org/LDS/Parallel/1843/27Aug43.html"&gt; full sermon here&lt;/a&gt;. He outlines the 3 priesthoods and what they are capable of. According to Joseph the carnal commandments are a curse and that is all the priesthood of Aaron can administer.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The New and Everlasting Covenant is baptism. Always has been, always will be. The ordinance has been changed just as prophesied in the scriptures.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;D&amp;amp;C 22:1 Behold, I say unto you that all &lt;a title="Heb. 8: 13; 3 Ne. 9: 17; 3 Ne. 12: 47 (46-47)." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/22/dc/22/1a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;old&lt;/a&gt; covenants have I caused to be done away in this thing; and this is a new and an &lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 66: 2; TG New and Everlasting Covenant." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/22/dc/22/1b" type="C" mark="b"&gt;everlasting&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a title="TG Covenants." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/22/dc/22/1c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;covenant&lt;/a&gt;, even that which was from the beginning.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Baptism, the ritual of being spiritually reborn, is what is being spoken of here. And in D&amp;amp;C 22 it talks of the outward ordinance being pointless if the inward change does not take place. When we are baptised we die to sin (the law) and are born to Christ. We become a new creature.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In conclusion of part deux, people can participate in polygamy and still be saved by the grace of God. But there is &lt;em&gt;no &lt;/em&gt;scriptural support that polygamy (celestial marriage, spiritual wifery, etc) is &lt;em&gt;required&lt;/em&gt; for salvation OR exaltation. That is false doctrine.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1740428248121208210-8895163405723566820?l=truthseekertoo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/feeds/8895163405723566820/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/08/why-i-dont-believe-in-polygamy-part.html#comment-form' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/8895163405723566820'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/8895163405723566820'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/08/why-i-dont-believe-in-polygamy-part.html' title='Why I don&apos;t believe in Polygamy Part Deux'/><author><name>TruthSeekerToo</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05167470143569702579</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740428248121208210.post-6960624665192663526</id><published>2009-07-29T09:00:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-07-29T09:00:03.333-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='salvation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='law'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mercy'/><title type='text'>The Law</title><content type='html'>During this marvelous spiritual journey I find myself on I have thought a lot about The Law part of the gospel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The scriptures are full of references to laws. There are laws for different kingdoms, the Law of Moses, fulfilled laws, etc. Some of these laws are in &lt;em&gt;opposition &lt;/em&gt;to each other!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I've been striving to learn what law God wants me to live, I feel I have learned something very profound. So simple.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/5"&gt;Galatians 5:14&lt;/a&gt; For all the &lt;a title="Rom. 13: 10 (8-10); 1 Tim. 1: 5; TG God, Law of." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/gal/5/14a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;law&lt;/a&gt; is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt &lt;a title="TG Love." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/gal/5/14b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;love&lt;/a&gt; thy neighbour as thyself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#cc0000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;LOVE.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, before you comment that it isn't that simple and we have a billion other rules to follow, just stop and let this truth flow over you. Love. Love fulfills ALL the laws.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, you can go to &lt;a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fulfilled"&gt;dictionary.com &lt;/a&gt;and see the different definitions of the word "fulfilled." It means to complete, finish, to satisfy or to bring to realization. All that can be done by LOVING our neighbor as ourselves. This is such an amazing thing!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I used to think that by loving God and neighbor I would automatically live (works) all the other laws, rules and commandments. Now my understanding has shifted. It is the love of God and neighbor (and self) that FULFILLS all the law.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this way, the laws that do not really come from our Father will naturally fall away. For example, we can easily see that how many steps we take on Sunday or what color shirt we wear to pass the Sacrament in doesn't matter to God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just to be completely heretical, I believe that according to scripture there are those who are NOT under the law. They are not bound to it and do not have to abide by it. Shocking, I know!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Galatians 5:18 But if ye be &lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 20: 45; D&amp;amp;C 28: 4; D&amp;amp;C 42: 13." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/gal/5/18a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;led&lt;/a&gt; of the Spirit, ye are not under the &lt;a title="Acts 15: 5 (1-11); Mosiah 13: 29 (29-31)." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/gal/5/18b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;law&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And if you are not under the law, you are FREE. No longer a prisoner of sin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But, how do we know if we are walking in the Spirit?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Galatians 5:22 But the &lt;a title="Rom. 8: 23; TG Holy Ghost, Mission of." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/gal/5/22a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;fruit&lt;/a&gt; of the &lt;a title="TG Inspiration; TG Spirituality." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/gal/5/22b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;Spirit&lt;/a&gt; is &lt;a title="Col. 3: 12." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/gal/5/22c" type="A" mark="c"&gt;love&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a title="TG Joy." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/gal/5/22d" type="B" mark="d"&gt;joy&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a title="TG Contentment; TG Peace of God." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/gal/5/22e" type="B" mark="e"&gt;peace&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a title="TG Forbearance." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/gal/5/22f" type="B" mark="f"&gt;longsuffering&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a title="TG Benevolence; TG Kindness." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/gal/5/22g" type="B" mark="g"&gt;gentleness&lt;/a&gt;, goodness, &lt;a title="TG Faith." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/gal/5/22h" type="B" mark="h"&gt;faith&lt;/a&gt;, 23 &lt;a title="TG Meekness." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/gal/5/23a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;Meekness&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a title="GR self-control; TG Temperance." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gal/gal/5/23b" type="R" mark="b"&gt;temperance&lt;/a&gt;: against such there is no law.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You will exhibit the fruits of the Spirit! The Light of Christ will shine for all to see. God will work through you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Those who are not under the law are claimed by Mercy on the day of judgement. This is something that makes my heart sing, but makes many others cringe. Yes, I believe that there are scriptures to support this idea that those claimed by mercy will escape judgement of their own works. I don't pretend to fully comprehend this wonderful promise of God, but I do put my faith in it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't think a person claimed by mercy will be judged by their own works because they will not be doing their own works!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Going back to the law for a minute:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/42/17,22#17"&gt;Alma 42:17&lt;/a&gt; Now, how could a man repent except he should &lt;a title="Rom. 7: 8 (1-25); TG Sin." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/42/alma/42/17a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;sin&lt;/a&gt;? How could he sin if there was no &lt;a title="Rom. 4: 15; Rom. 5: 13; 2 Ne. 9: 25." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/42/alma/42/17b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;law&lt;/a&gt;? How could there be a law save there was a punishment?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is because there is a law that there is sin! If there was no law, there would be no sin. So, if one has fulfilled the law through love (charity) he can no longer sin. Why? Because he is not under the law.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Joseph Smith taught a &lt;a href="http://www.boap.org/LDS/Parallel/1843/27Aug43.html"&gt;sermon in 1843 &lt;/a&gt;about the priesthood and talked about how the Levitical priesthood was only able to administer cursings and the carnal commandments! I highly recommend reading the notes on this because it contains several amazing tidbits of information about the law and the priesthood.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I interpret what I read in that sermon to mean that the carnal commandments ARE a curse. However, I believe that they serve a purpose. They frustrate and humble us enough that we come unto Christ for release.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our works can NEVER save us. We cannot earn our salvation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Toscano's say it perfectly in their book &lt;a href="http://mormon-chronicles.blogspot.com/2009/03/online-strangers-in-paradox.html"&gt;Strangers in Paradox&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;"Jesus brought closure to salvation by law and initiated salvation by love."&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1740428248121208210-6960624665192663526?l=truthseekertoo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/feeds/6960624665192663526/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/07/law.html#comment-form' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/6960624665192663526'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/6960624665192663526'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/07/law.html' title='The Law'/><author><name>TruthSeekerToo</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05167470143569702579</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740428248121208210.post-8487300250188412022</id><published>2009-07-28T11:10:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-08-01T11:05:23.919-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='women'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='polygamy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='monogomy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Joseph Smith'/><title type='text'>Why I don't believe in Polygamy</title><content type='html'>Okay, I just need to have this all in one place since it comes up a lot among "seekers." The churches history of polygamy is very troubling for many, many members. Here are my thoughts on the hot topic.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have read many great blog &lt;a href="http://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/the-spiritual-wife-doctrine/"&gt;article&lt;/a&gt;s on the topic. Now it's my turn.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe that polygamy is NOT required for “exaltation.” God the Father did not command it, and never has. This is the conclusion I came to after much study, pondering and prayer. This does not mean I stand in judgment of people who were/are sincere in their belief of it. Since many members feel that this issue may be given to us in the future I think it is crucial to know for ourselves if it is from God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*Polygamy makes women second class citizens. Not to mention concubines! This is not in keeping with what I believe is the true nature of God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*D&amp;amp;C 132 is in direct conflict to previous revelation. God commanded us to measure all revelation by what has previously been revealed. It fails this test.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*D&amp;amp;C 132 was introduced to the church in 1852. It was not put into the D&amp;amp;C until 1856.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*Joseph never publicly taught this “doctrine.” He is quoted as saying he felt he taught harder doctrine from the pulpit than in private. I also like to think he would have publicly taught it if it was God’s will. I am most bothered by the lying-have a hard time reconciling that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*Polygamy was a “hot topic” in the early 1800’s on three different continents-England, Europe and US East Coast. Missionaries tracted in this area of the East Coast and even converted some (1830’s). Brigham is reported to have gone on a mission to this area *by himself* by the RLDS. Check out &lt;a href="http://www.restorationbookstore.org/jsfp-index.htm"&gt;this article &lt;/a&gt;for more on that view.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*The D&amp;amp;C is FULL of warnings from God about adultery, whoring spirits, lust and coveting your neighbor’s wife. I have a hard time buying that He would suddenly find them righteous enough to do what he had to chastise them about! See D&amp;amp;C 63:14,16; 3:4; 19:25; 38:24,25; 101:6&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*The second greatest commandment is “love thy neighbor.” How does one do that while taking his wife???&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*D&amp;amp;C 42 is the law of the church. It calls for strict monogamy. Vs.22 Thou shalt love thy wife with all thy heart, and shalt cleave unto her&lt;strong&gt; and none else&lt;/strong&gt;. (emphasis mine)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*The &lt;a href="http://www.centerplace.org/library/study/dc/ldc-marr.htm"&gt;Article on Marriage &lt;/a&gt;was accepted by the body of the saints by common consent in 1835. This made it binding. It was added to the 1835 edition of the D&amp;amp;C. It was not removed until 1876. It called for strict monogamy. Some say it was politically motivated and not written by JS, but he obviously approved it to be printed in the canon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It read in part: "Inasmuch as this Church of Christ has been reproached with the crime of fornication, and polygamy: we declare that we believe that one man should have one wife; and one woman but one husband, except in the case of death, when either is as liberty to marry again. "&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*Jacob 2:27…For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife…28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women…34…For ye have done these things which ye ought not to have done. 35…Ye have broken the hearts of your tender wives, and lost the confidence of your children.Verse 30 the righteous seed argument-I think it is a misinterpretation to say this can be done through polygamy. I believe this is done by removing the people from among the wicked. If you read fully in context this is a legitimate interpretation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*When JS argued that “anything God commands is right” he did so in a secret letter to the daughter of Sidney Rigdon. He was trying to persuade her that polygamy was a correct principle. -Of course everything God commands is right-that is why I don’t believe polygamy or commanded killings come from God. The Light of Christ will tell us what is right. If it goes against that then it is safe to say it is not of God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*There is no scriptural precedent for God sending an angel to kill someone for disobedience. For goodness sake, if He did, why not take out Hitler or some other murdering maniac??? I believe the angel with the sword is a Mormon legend.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*There is one source that says Joseph may have been in the process of trying to rid the church of polygamy and repent before his death. It is said that he wanted all guilty of polygamy to be tried and that he had the revelation burned&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"After 1 a.m. Smith tells his secretary, William Clayton to burn or bury the minutes of the Council of Fifty, and Joseph and Hyrum Smith flee Nauvoo. Word of the prophet's departure causes near panic among his devoted followers. Accused of cowardly abandoning Nauvoo, Smith returns about 6 p.m. He tells Stephen Markham that this is contrary to a revelation and commandment he had received. Joseph and Emma Smith burn the original manuscript of the 1843 polygamy revelation, presumably on this evening. William Clayton preserves a copy, which is later canonized as Section 132 of the D&amp;amp;C.&lt;br /&gt;SOURCE: Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol. 6, p.548-550, Manuscript fragment of Nauvoo Legion History for June 1844, LDS archives." &lt;a href="http://www.i4m.com/think/polygamy/JS_Polygamy_Timeline.htm"&gt;Found HERE&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*There were more men than women in Utah according to &lt;a href="http://www.i4m.com/think/polygamy/utah_census.htm"&gt;census records&lt;/a&gt;. This debunks the “need” for polygamy based on male to female ratio.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*Fewer children are born to polygamist relationships than monogamist. Just look at BY (or the cenusus records). This debunks the "raising up seed" argument.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*”He who is exalted shall be abased; he who is abased shall be exalted.” This whole practice just seems like it was used to exalt ones self.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*Jesus said “My yoke is easy and my burden is light.” I really don’t see how polygamy is either.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1740428248121208210-8487300250188412022?l=truthseekertoo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/feeds/8487300250188412022/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-i-dont-believe-in-polygamy.html#comment-form' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/8487300250188412022'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/8487300250188412022'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-i-dont-believe-in-polygamy.html' title='Why I don&apos;t believe in Polygamy'/><author><name>TruthSeekerToo</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05167470143569702579</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740428248121208210.post-8199589150781869251</id><published>2009-07-25T19:06:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-07-25T19:12:21.138-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='healing'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='path'/><title type='text'>A Gift of Healing</title><content type='html'>I'm listening to the summer rain as it falls outside my window. The house has a rare quietness as the children are away with the hubbie. It's a perfect time to read!&lt;br /&gt;I had to share this beautiful verse from A Gift of Healing: Selections from A Course In Miracles.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"We go beyond the veil of fear,&lt;br /&gt;lighting each other's way.&lt;br /&gt;The holiness that leads us&lt;br /&gt;is within us, as is our home."&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1740428248121208210-8199589150781869251?l=truthseekertoo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/feeds/8199589150781869251/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/07/gift-of-healing.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/8199589150781869251'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/8199589150781869251'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/07/gift-of-healing.html' title='A Gift of Healing'/><author><name>TruthSeekerToo</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05167470143569702579</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740428248121208210.post-6988455041579632155</id><published>2009-07-05T13:13:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-07-15T11:14:16.389-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='paradox'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='myth'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='creation'/><title type='text'>Paradox and the Tree</title><content type='html'>I am so fascinated by our mythology. Right now I am reading The Power of Myth (Joseph Campbell) and Strangers in Paradox (by Margaret &amp;amp; Paul Toscano).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, while reading in Strangers in Paradox something dawned on me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While we believe that Adam and Eve brought death into the world by eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, we also believe that they brought LIFE into the world at the same time!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, I know we do teach this, but the paradox has never occured to me. It's amazing that through their AGENCY they were able to bring death AND life into the world. I think we are speaking of both spiritual and physical death/life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just eating from the Tree of Life could not accomplish this task.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We all acknowledge the paradox of the commands they were given in the garden. Why does God seem to give us opposing commands? So that we can choose which to follow. Perhaps this is not a choice between good and evil. Perhaps it is a choice of lesser truth and higher truth...or what we are ready for at that time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then follows the paradox of Adam and Eve being "punished." Adam must till the earth to earn his food. But what a blessing! Eve must pass through pain to bring forth life. What a blessing! Adam and Eve are two beings who must realize they are actually ONE. What an amazing journey of discovery that will be!&lt;br /&gt;What a blessing to no longer remain a child and to grow into an adult. Leaving your Father and Mother to strike out and make it on your own. To discover how you are still connected to your Parents and they permeate everything in life. Maybe they aren't as far away as we think.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have gone through several interpretations of the Garden story...and they all are probably true. There are layers and layers of truths that constantly amaze me. It'll take me a lifetime to scratch the surface.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the amazing things Joseph Campbell says in The Power of Myth is that our myths are supposed to aleviate our guilt about having to "kill to live." It has brought a whole new dimension to the gospel for me. Thinking of Christ and the sacrament in this context today was very enlightening.&lt;br /&gt;Our myths, or the gospel, should be building us up not tearing us down. We have the power to choose which side of the paradox to partake.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1740428248121208210-6988455041579632155?l=truthseekertoo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/feeds/6988455041579632155/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/07/paradox-and-tree.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/6988455041579632155'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/6988455041579632155'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/07/paradox-and-tree.html' title='Paradox and the Tree'/><author><name>TruthSeekerToo</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05167470143569702579</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740428248121208210.post-896070337993990576</id><published>2009-06-30T09:00:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-30T09:00:24.469-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='salvation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='children'/><title type='text'>Be as Little Children</title><content type='html'>We have been told that if we become as a little child we will inherit the Kingdom of God. What a magnificent promise!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But, how is this accomplished?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think we need to know what the traits of children are. This is the only way to emulate them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After much reading and thinking about my own children I have come up with this list of qualities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*Children under 8 will inherit the Celestial Kingdom---regardless of thier actions&lt;br /&gt;*They will not be judged----works do not matter for them&lt;br /&gt;*They are not tempted by Satan---they cannot sin&lt;br /&gt;*They tend to love unconditionally&lt;br /&gt;*They love and accept Jesus&lt;br /&gt;*They do not feel guilt or shame---until they are taught to&lt;br /&gt;*They do things without thought of consequences&lt;br /&gt;*They have a joy in discovery&lt;br /&gt;*They do not labor for their existance&lt;br /&gt;*They are teachable&lt;br /&gt;*They are very trusting, humble, meek, submissive&lt;br /&gt;*They are without the law&lt;br /&gt;*They are holy&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-------------------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;Here are some of my favorite scriptures on little children:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/8/5,8-14,17,19-20,22#5"&gt;Moroni 8:12 &lt;/a&gt;But little &lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 29: 46; D&amp;amp;C 93: 38." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/8/moro/8/12a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;children&lt;/a&gt; are alive in Christ, even from the foundation of the world; if not so, God is a partial God, and also a changeable God, and a &lt;a title="Eph. 6: 9; D&amp;amp;C 38: 16." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/8/moro/8/12b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;respecter&lt;/a&gt; to persons; for how many little children have died without baptism!...20 And he that saith that little children need baptism denieth the mercies of Christ, and setteth at naught the &lt;a title="TG Jesus Christ, Atonement through; TG Salvation, Plan of." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/8/moro/8/20a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;atonement&lt;/a&gt; of him and the power of his redemption....22 For behold that all little children are &lt;a title="TG Salvation of Little Children." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/8/moro/8/22a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;alive&lt;/a&gt; in Christ, and also all they that are without the &lt;a title="Acts 17: 30." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/8/moro/8/22b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;law&lt;/a&gt;. For the power of &lt;a title="TG Redemption." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/8/moro/8/22c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;redemption&lt;/a&gt; cometh on all them that have &lt;a title="TG Accountability." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/8/moro/8/22d" type="B" mark="d"&gt;no&lt;/a&gt; law; wherefore, he that is not condemned, or he that is under no condemnation, cannot repent; and unto such baptism availeth nothing—&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mosiah 3:18 For behold he judgeth, and his judgment is just; and the infant perisheth not that dieth in his infancy; but men drink &lt;a title="1 Cor. 11: 29." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mosiah/3/18a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;damnation&lt;/a&gt; to their own souls except they humble themselves and &lt;a title="Matt. 18: 3." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mosiah/3/18b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;become&lt;/a&gt; as little children, and believe that &lt;a title="TG Salvation." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mosiah/3/18c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;salvation&lt;/a&gt; was, and is, and is to come, in and through the &lt;a title="Mosiah 4: 2; Hel. 5: 9." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/mosiah/3/18d" type="A" mark="d"&gt;atoning&lt;/a&gt; blood of Christ, the Lord Omnipotent.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/29/46-47#46"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 29:46&lt;/a&gt; But behold, I say unto you, that little &lt;a title="Moro. 8: 12 (8, 12, 22); D&amp;amp;C 93: 38; TG Children; TG Conceived in Sin; TG Salvation of Little Children." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/29/46a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;children&lt;/a&gt; are &lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 74: 7; TG Jesus Christ, Redeemer; TG Redemption." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/29/46b" type="C" mark="b"&gt;redeemed&lt;/a&gt; from the foundation of the world through mine Only Begotten; 47 Wherefore, they cannot &lt;a title="TG Sin." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/29/47a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;sin&lt;/a&gt;, for power is not given unto Satan to &lt;a title="TG Temptation." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/29/47b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;tempt&lt;/a&gt; little children, until they &lt;a title="Moses 6: 55." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/29/47c" type="A" mark="c"&gt;begin&lt;/a&gt; to become &lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 18: 42; D&amp;amp;C 20: 71; D&amp;amp;C 68: 25 (25-27); TG Accountability." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/29/47d" type="C" mark="d"&gt;accountable&lt;/a&gt; before me;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/74/6-7#6"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 74:7&lt;/a&gt; But little &lt;a title="TG Children; TG Family." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/74/7a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;children&lt;/a&gt; are &lt;a title="Moro. 8: 8 (8-15); D&amp;amp;C 29: 46; TG Holiness." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/74/7b" type="C" mark="b"&gt;holy&lt;/a&gt;, being &lt;a title="TG Salvation of Little Children." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/74/7c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;sanctified&lt;/a&gt; through the &lt;a title="TG Jesus Christ, Atonement through." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/74/7d" type="B" mark="d"&gt;atonement&lt;/a&gt; of Jesus Christ; and this is what the scriptures mean.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/18/3#3"&gt;Matt. 18:3 &lt;/a&gt;And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little &lt;a title="1 Cor. 14: 20; Mosiah 3: 19; TG Children; TG Salvation of Little Children." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/18/3a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;children&lt;/a&gt;, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whosoever therefore shall &lt;a title="TG Humility; TG Meekness." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/18/matt/18/4a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;humble&lt;/a&gt; himself as this little &lt;a title="TG Children." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/18/matt/18/4b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;child&lt;/a&gt;, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1740428248121208210-896070337993990576?l=truthseekertoo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/feeds/896070337993990576/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/06/be-as-little-children.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/896070337993990576'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/896070337993990576'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/06/be-as-little-children.html' title='Be as Little Children'/><author><name>TruthSeekerToo</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05167470143569702579</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740428248121208210.post-7960245063977938221</id><published>2009-06-29T11:45:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-29T12:58:14.068-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='salvation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='opposition'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='creation'/><title type='text'>Is Satan Necessary to God's Plan?</title><content type='html'>In LDS theology it seems that Satan is seen as playing a vital role in God's great plan of salvation. Many people find this idea troubling.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I have studied the idea of "opposition" and the plan of salvation I, too, have questioned how vital Satan is to that plan. There are two key reasons I have to wonder if he really is necessary.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*It appears to me that opposition exists with or without the influence of Satan&lt;br /&gt;*If he is actually carrying out God's plan, why would he be punished for it?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, opposition is a big topic all by itself. I have studied it and discussed it with others and it is really an interesting topic.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, I think we use the word "opposition" in two ways. 1) the act of opposing, resisting or combating. 2) the state of being opposite (ex. black and white are opposite).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Satan seems to fall under the first definition of opposition. When we think of good and evil we think of opposing forces. Two armies fighting against one another. I think I can argue that this is not necessary to God's plan of happiness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The second type of opposition we talk about is very natural. In heaven, before we came to earth, it appears that we had agency. If this is true, we also had opposition. At least, our theology tells us that we can't have agency without oppostion. Right? Agency and opposites just seem to be a fact of the universe to me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If one takes the creation story literally, God made sure this earth contained lots of opposition. He put two opposite trees in the Garden. One would bring everlasting life and the other death. Satan tells Eve that she must eat the fruit of knowledge of good and evil. He is also the one who tells her this is the only way to bring about God's plan (basically). Was Satan telling her the truth??? Why would God set them up like that? Isn't Satan the author of lies, fear, guilt and shame? Would a loving Father set up his children for death?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Alright, I'm getting distracted with too many questions. I hope the reader can fully understand my quandry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It appears to me that opposition is part of the order of the universe. Opposites don't have to be bad. In fact, they are all true. Black is just as true as white. Is one bad and one good? I don't think so. Cold is the opposite of hot, and I prefer a mixture of the two. We also have pleasure versus pain. But are either one of them all good or all bad? No. They both can be physical, mental or spiritual states of being. There are people who are addicts of pleasure and those addicted to pain. I find it interesting that we want to label everything as good or evil. Why do we have that desire?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;OK, the real thing that got me thinking about the necessity of ol' Scratch is this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Little children are not tempted by him. They are out of his reach! Until when??? Until they are TAUGHT right from wrong! Could that be when they "partake of the forbidden fruit?"&lt;br /&gt;Have we not been told to "be like little children" in order to inherit the Kingdom of God?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, Satan is to be bound for 1000 years during the Millenium. He will be bound by the righteousness of the people. But, opposition will still exist under definition #2. In fact, life may go on fairly similar to how it is now but the people will have NO DESIRE to sin.&lt;br /&gt;If Satan was necessary for the Plan of Salvation, then how could he be bound for 1000 years while people are still being born? How does that effect The Plan in their lives? We learn that there will be no sorrow because there will be no death-people will get "twinkled" when they are old.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, do we really need a Satan at all? Why don't we all just kick him out right now? Instead of fighting him, why don't we just reject him?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We all laugh at Satan for being so stupid and falling right into God's plan, however, he might be laughing at us for being so delusional.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1740428248121208210-7960245063977938221?l=truthseekertoo.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/feeds/7960245063977938221/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/06/is-satan-necessary-to-gods-plan.html#comment-form' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/7960245063977938221'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1740428248121208210/posts/default/7960245063977938221'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://truthseekertoo.blogspot.com/2009/06/is-satan-necessary-to-gods-plan.html' title='Is Satan Necessary to God&apos;s Plan?'/><author><name>TruthSeekerToo</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05167470143569702579</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740428248121208210.post-8317353575087515405</id><published>2009-06-15T15:24:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-16T21:29:10.241-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='healing'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='faith'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='gifts of the spirit'/><title type='text'>The Gift to Heal</title><content type='html'>Do you believe in the spiritual gift of healing?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I do. However, I believe that not many people ever tap into this amazing power.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is one time in my life that I have witnessed a near instant healing after a priesthood blessing. My oldest child was a toddler and had an ear infection. He threw up the medicine and was feverish and feeling poorly. He was healed within an hour of the blessing and I didn't give him anymore of the medicine. I don't think he has ever had another ear infection, either.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know people who have also experienced miracle healings from priesthood blessings. Some prevented surgery from being performed. Truly miracles do happen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, for every story of instant healing there are dozens of cases where people were not healed. We like to make up lots of excuses for why a healing did not occur, but I believe all the excuses are just that. Excuses.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's see what the scriptures promise about healing. I believe these are referring to physical healing, not spiritual. Although, spiritual healings are even more important.&lt;br /&gt;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;D&amp;amp;C 42:43 And whosoever among you are &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="TG Sickness." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/42/dc/42/43a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;sick&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;, and have not faith to be healed, but believe, shall be &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="TG Health." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/42/dc/42/43b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;nourished&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt; with all tenderness, with herbs and mild &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="TG Food." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/42/dc/42/43c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;food&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;, and that not by the hand of an enemy. 44 And the elders of the church, two or more, shall be called, and shall pray for and &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="TG Hands, Laying on of." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/42/dc/42/44a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;lay&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt; their &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="TG Administrations to the Sick." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/42/dc/42/44b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;hands&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt; upon them in my name; and if they &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="Rom. 14: 8 (5-9); D&amp;amp;C 63: 49." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/42/dc/42/44c" type="A" mark="c"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;die&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt; they shall &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="Rev. 14: 13." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/42/dc/42/44d" type="A" mark="d"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;die&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt; unto me, and if they live they shall live unto me. 48 And again, it shall come to pass that he that hath &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="D&amp;amp;C 46: 19; TG Faith." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/42/dc/42/48a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;faith&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt; in me to be &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="Luke 18: 42 (35-43); TG Healing." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/42/dc/42/48b" type="C" mark="b"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;healed&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;, and is not &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="2 Kgs. 20: 1 (1-6); Job 7: 1; Isa. 38: 5; 1 Cor. 4: 9; Alma 12: 27 (26-28); D&amp;amp;C 121: 25." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/42/dc/42/48c" type="A" mark="c"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;appointed&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt; unto death, shall be &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="TG Death, Power over." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/42/dc/42/48d" type="B" mark="d"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;healed&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;. 49 He who hath faith to see shall see. 50 He who hath faith to hear shall hear. 51 The lame who hath faith to leap shall leap. 52 And they who have not faith to do these things, but believe in me, have &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="TG Initiative." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/42/dc/42/52a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;power&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt; to become my &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="TG Sons and Daughters of God." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/42/dc/42/52b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;sons&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;; and inasmuch as they break not my laws thou shalt &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="Rom. 15: 1; TG Fellowshipping." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/42/dc/42/52c" type="C" mark="c"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;bear&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt; their infirmities. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-------------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;Let's focus on this section first. It does acknowledge that sometimes people won't be healed. BUT, it also gives the reason. The reason given here is lack of faith! Yipes! That puts the burden on us, not God. It also says that if it is your time to die you will not be healed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It also mentions that if you do not have faith to be healed, but believe and obey you will be able to bear your infirmities.&lt;br /&gt;---------------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;D&amp;amp;C 46:19 And again, to some it is given to have &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="Mark 5: 34 (34-36); Hel. 15: 9 (9-10); D&amp;amp;C 42: 48 (48-52); TG Faith." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/46/dc/46/19a" type="C" mark="a"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;faith&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt; to be healed; 20 And to others it is given to have faith to &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="TG Healing." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/46/dc/46/20a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;heal&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;D&amp;amp;C 35:8 For I am God, and mine arm is not &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="Isa. 50: 2 (2-4); Isa. 59: 1." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/35/dc/35/8a" type="A" mark="a"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;shortened&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;; and I will show &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="TG Miracle." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/35/dc/35/8b" type="B" mark="b"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;miracles&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;, &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="TG Signs." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/35/dc/35/8c" type="B" mark="c"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;signs&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;, and wonders, unto all those who &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="TG Believe; TG Trust in God." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/35/dc/35/8d" type="B" mark="d"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;believe&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt; on my name. 9 And whoso shall ask it in my name in &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="TG Faith." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/35/dc/35/9a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;faith&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;, they shall &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="Mark 16: 17." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/35/dc/35/9b" type="A" mark="b"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;cast&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt; out &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="Mark 1: 39 (21-45)." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/35/dc/35/9c" type="A" mark="c"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;devils&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;; they shall heal the &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="TG Healing; TG Sickness." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/35/dc/35/9d" type="B" mark="d"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;sick&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;; they shall cause the blind to receive their &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="TG Sight." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/35/dc/35/9e" type="B" mark="e"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;sight&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;, and the deaf to hear, and the dumb to speak, and the lame to walk. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-----------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;Again, we see that those (ANYONE) who have faith and ask in the name of Jesus Christ will heal the sick.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm not going to add every scripture that repeats that some have the gift of healing-let it suffice that there are several witnesses to this gift.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When Jesus walked the earth he healed in many different ways. He used words, hands, actions and even elements of the physical world. The healing always took place by the same power.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What can we do to realize this great gift? If we believe the scriptures are true, the only thing preventing healings is FAITH.&lt;br /&gt;Do we need to spend more time concentrating on healing?&lt;br /&gt;Do we need to focus more energy and prayers towards the healing?&lt;br /&gt;How can we cultivate our faith to make it strong enough to heal?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By way of disclaimer I should mention that I do believe this is currently a world where our bodies get sick and die. I don't think we should blame ourselves or others for this fact.&lt;br /&gt;I just find the promises for healing outlined in the scriptures exciting!&lt;br /&gt;-------------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;D&amp;amp;C 63:51 Wherefore, &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="TG Children; TG Millennium." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/63/dc/63/51a" type="B" mark="a"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;children&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt; shall &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="Isa. 65: 20 (20-22); D&amp;amp;C 45: 58; D&amp;amp;C 101: 30 (29-31); TG Mortality; TG Old Age." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/63/dc/63/51b" type="C" mark="b"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;grow&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt; up until they become old; old men shall die; but they shall not sleep in the dust, but they shall be &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a title="1 Cor. 15: 52 (51-52); D&amp;amp;C 43: 32; D&amp;amp;C 88: 28 (20, 28)." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/63/dc/63/51c" type="A" mark="c"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;changed&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt; in the twinkling of an eye.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;--------------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;The scriptures even tell us of a time without sickness and death. 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